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Re: [SLUG] ADSL with two pair cable [slightly OT]



Interestingly, you can plug your adsl router into your hub/switch
and one of you machines can establish a pppoe connection to the net
through its single network card whilst still being on your local
network.

(with one network card)

Also, if your using a modem already, your existing ipchains / tables
scripts will still work as the virtual device is a pppX device
(usually ppp0)

(You could use an old single nic sparc or mac box as your firewall!)

This setup was ok with the second telstra tech who came out to
check out our line speed (they put me on 256k rather than the
ordered 512k, of course they wouldnt admit to this untill the
tech confirmed that it wasnt the line).

So for my home setup, if my linux box isnt on, then my folks
can just use the provided bigpond adsl client without any problems

In case anyone cares the usb 10/100 network card (SMC) works
with the pegasus usb ethernet driver. I dont know when it was
in the kernel, but its in 2.4.4. In 2.4.4-ac i noticed a second
usb ethernet driver was added but i havent used it (as 2.4.4-ac
broke my tulip nic... so back to 2.4.4 i went)

Just thought the world should know.

Dean

Michael wrote:

> Seen those./.. FR314 being thew funky arse one... but I think I'll use a
> linux machine, maybe a low end pentium if I find one being binned
> somewhere :) so to speak..
> 
> In the meantime I am stuck on a modem, and thats not so bad...
> 
> -
> michael
> 
> On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Dean Hamstead wrote:
> 
> 
>>Netgear has 2, could be three, so say 2 or more adsl/cable routers
>>the top of the line having some very funky firewalling features.
>>
>>Dean
>>
>>Michael wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yeah I'd be happy with leeching my debian iso's at that speed.. ADSL to me
>>>is not much more then I pay now for phone calls and netaccess.. so I'll
>>>get it and then build uyp linux machine again with no X and stuff to run
>>>it on. In the meantime the family is using a Netgear RM356AU I bought
>>>since its smaller then a machine :)
>>>
>>>On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Dean Hamstead wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Service drop outs are pretty regular, the server at the other
>>>>end just doesnt reply. The max connection length ive heard of
>>>>is 6 days (most windows machines wont stay up that long *grin*)
>>>>and ip address's do move around.
>>>>
>>>>For me its fine though, i mean, 60k/s debian isos ;)
>>>>
>>>>The modem is rated to 8mbit down 800kbit up, pity its so
>>>>underutilised =(
>>>>
>>>>My only grief is that Bigpond is the only real option for the
>>>>sort of net access im after...
>>>>
>>>>Dean
>>>>
>>>>Michael wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Campbelltown main exchange in the main street has ADSL as of about 2 weeks
>>>>>ago.. although my phone hangs off an exchange connected to the main one,
>>>>>so until they roll it out to the outlying exchanges. I have to
>>>>>wait. Although it hasn't stopped me from signing up every few days, just
>>>>>to show my interest.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'll get it, and downgrade my dingoblue account to 9.95 or something for
>>>>>when adsl is down :) I heard they had a few teething problems on the odd
>>>>>ocassion. Doh
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Dean Hamstead wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>They are in the mountains now ;)
>>>>>>Glenmoore park has ADSL as well but its one rack is now full
>>>>>>(all 80 positions or something silly like that) i think my
>>>>>>installation was in the last 20 places on the glenbrook exchange
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ADSL really hasnt been publicised alot (tv ads etc) so i think
>>>>>>at this point its really being taken up by the more technologically
>>>>>>inclined (eg. linux gurus and counter-strike players)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I get a ping of about 80ms to my old isp (1/2 of dialing in)
>>>>>>and ssh is a whole new experience ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Michael wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>With the roll out of pit street , maybe they might put more effort into
>>>>>>>rolling out more exchanges in other areas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I only wish :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Dean Hamstead wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When i had mine installed i asked the telstra tech about it
>>>>>>>>Apparently in a given bundle, only about 2-3/10 lines can have
>>>>>>>>adsl otherwise you get interferance. So if your considering it
>>>>>>>>stop considering and start ordering as in a street only a handful
>>>>>>>>of houses can have adsl (or in my street of about 15, only
>>>>>>>>maybe 4 can have it)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>They supply you with up to 3 inline filters for your handsets
>>>>>>>>and if you have 4 or more handsets they install one master filter
>>>>>>>>thingy (apparently). I dont think you should have more than 4
>>>>>>>>connecting devices anyway, i recall hearing that it splits the
>>>>>>>>signal too much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Linux runs bigpond adsl as perfectly as i can imagine. My tip
>>>>>>>>is *not* to get 256kbps (if your getting a home plan), get the
>>>>>>>>512k. For $10/m your making your life that muych better ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>(apparently the pit street data center will be in place in
>>>>>>>>6 months... apparently)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dean
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Vince Meissner wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I have a multi pair cable comming into my place, there doesn't seem to be
>>>>>>>>>any noticable interference from the ADSL enabled line to the other lines.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>For ADSL you just connect the ADSL modem straight into the line,
>>>>>>>>>To use a normal phone, fax, modem etc,  you need to use a double adapter,
>>>>>>>>>and then a filter (supplied with most ADSL modems) on the lead going to
>>>>>>>>>the phone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-Vince
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Howard Lowndes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Most domestic premises have two pair cabling which allows two separate
>>>>>>>>>>services.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>1. Has anyone any experiences with cross talk from an ADSL enabled pair
>>>>>>>>>>over to the other non-ADSL enabled pair, or between two ADSL enabled
>>>>>>>>>>pairs?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>2. Is the Telstra offering splitterless or bandpass filtered?
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>Howard.  LANNet Computing Associates <http://lannetlinux.com>
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>>>>>>>>>>addressing the Fabian Society in 1988 in relation to the Australia Card issue.
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>
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