> > > Yeah -- again, this is really for someone NOT in first year
bull, we need to define 'first year student' as andrew said there are some
around, they're just hard for old fogey 4th year insecure condescending
pseudo academics to notice.
The ele vs comp-sci difference is that electronics is not appealing to anyone
who doesn't have a clue what elec eng is, but "computers" are trendy
and a hundred or so first years enroll here because the TER was low
enough and they didn't/coudn't get a job.
They are not students, they're a waste of swap space and would never
enter the comp anyway. Elec eng should not have prestige just because
they dont attract these people.
There will always be a few first years who could be called comp-sci 'students'
they know what a computer is.
they like eiffel, they've looked at the library and read all of bertrand's
books and program in eiffel C miranda and even pascal
just for the fun of it.
they dont watch tv.
These, and those similar, are the only real students here and would
surely beat any elec-eng techno weeny.
There may only be one or two each year and if people dont find and
nuture these soft sheltered souls they may just become old bitter and
twisted, waiting out their degree flaming people instead of inventing some
new algorithm or winning a competition for UTS.
If the established students treat first years like shit then
we will never find out if one of them could win a competition.
If you reply because this bit of email upsets you
any wise cracks about my comments on eiffel or reading bertrand's books
<so I got creative in the interest of good humour>
will proove you have completely missed the point.
James Torrent <email@example.com.EDU.AU>
University of Technology, Sydney.
Knowledge is not a foundation for arrogance, Understanding is.